ROBERT: It is July 13th, 1987, Session #12 with John, Robert and Jonathan

JONATHAN: Evening Robert!

ROBERT: Good evening, Jonathan!

JONATHAN: How are you today?

ROBERT: Very good thanks! We seem to have lots of energy tonight!

JONATHAN: We are all in a mass here, we have lots of vibrations, here!

ROBERT: How do you feel?

JONATHAN: I feel great! A smooth wonderful ride!

ROBERT: HA! You had a smooth entry tonight!

JONATHAN: It gets better and better as time goes on. I’m seeming to getting more accustomed to this realm.

ROBERT: Do you have whiplash insurance for when you come and leave for John?

JONATHAN: Well, we’ll repair the damage if we cause any damage there!

ROBERT: HA! HA! GOOD! Well, we have many questions! Are you ready?

JONATHAN: I’m ready as usual!

ROBERT: We have some from John first!

JONATHAN: Ok!

ROBERT: He received an emergency call from you or someone to return home on July 9th and felt that there was some chastisement! Then he slept for an hour and afterwards he felt great! What is this about?

JONATHAN: Give me a moment! We needed to communicate with him on an important matter. I know it was an inconvenience on his part, but it was an emergency because he was called back and I don’t know if you experienced this or has anybody explained it to you. Sometimes the souls are needed to be called back explain, and this usually happens a lot during the sleep state but in this case we had to communicate with his soul on a soul-to-soul basis and we couldn’t do it through the material form because it wasn’t a practical way to do it. So, in this case he had to ascend to us the opposite of what we are doing right now. I know it is a different experience and that’s why he had to get home right away and the chastisement was there because well, I got a little nervous and it wasn’t a really serious chastisement. I was forgetful that in the material form there are different ways to get around, and I was assumed that John was doing his best to get there, but in such a way we needed his presence almost immediately and I guess because of our forgetfulness in understanding that you people do not have the ability to materialize at will as some other cultures have had. It was my problem and it was my fault. And I apologize to John for causing this inconvenience for him but it was important that he met with someone else and I had to call him on this emergency as soon as possible but what we needed on this was there was a discussion on a period of time in which he played a prominent role and this has to do with one of the past lives and about a discussion of the manifestations in that past lives on which he dealt on such an experiment in which deals with the psychological and spiritualization processes in which different entities in this formation of a wizardry time of environment had attained. And very few people has attained this sort of statis. He is not the only one, but he is one of the few that have done this. It was important to get his insight in this matter as per our discussion so that we recreate another aspect of another type of creator force that will materialize in some form or another that materialize in this aspect and this it seemed to me that even though it was inappropriate it had to be done and was necessary so that we can achieve what we sought to achieve and usually these things happen during the nighttime hours but at this point in timer his body was tuned in, we were tuned in and the only difficulty was the ability to connect that would have been beneficial. We couldn’t connect with him while he was in a public place or on the street or whatever so we sent a message down to hurry up and get home so that we can have the proper, give me just a second, the word is not coming to me, so that we can have the proper manifestation take place and cause any inconvenience of his manifestation at that time so this is the reason for that and I must apologize that was inconvenient on his part and because of this it was something that we had to do in order to get this information from his soul, which I realize is that John is not attuned to that manifestation in this life but it is still part of his soul. So therefore that why is was important for him to escape from the physical realm. little bit so we can resolve this problem and there was a few of us and we needed his help and understanding in this matter.

ROBERT: His presence was requested. The second question is that last night John had a powerful meditation after a storming evening with his neighbors and he would like to know what that is about

JONATHAN: Your soul is developing beyond the realization of your body. By I mean to say that you are in the meditation, you are in the meditation, you are feeling the energy, you are experiencing the feeling of energy, the healing energy, you are trying to, let us say that you are trying to recreate your former experiences and what happened in this case was that in order to train this mechanism the emotional content had to be accelerated to such a point so that we can deal with this manifestation and in this case the power of the energy, the meaning of the powerful meditation was to give prominence to your whole entity and you were feeling the powerful energy that you have. You have to remember that during this whole process that you are centralizing yourself, you are consolidating energy and to deal with those attributes that you seem to unaware of in the present form, but they are there for you. You will have to understand that you will be getting more of this type of meditation. If you keep up your meditation and you will be more powerful and will b e more energy conscious and you will be able to understand what you are and who you are and we will be giving you more and more hints and clues of how that you can achieve a greater status and you have in different times and different meditations of the past to achieve a higher status than you have achieved last night. The thing about this is that you have left the body during meditations before and we are trying to attune you back to where you were in those areas where you have done this. And that is only one aspect of all of it. The second aspect would be if you understand the complete realm of the entire being, you would be able to understand other beings who are opening up to many aspects in this area. There are areas in your body that are opening up, there are areas in your soul that are opening up. And I realize that this is a new rea that you are opening and you are generating positive energy. The more positive energy that you generate the more positive energy that you are going to feel and the more experiences that you are going to have and you are going to have the ability to do various things and feel various energies and go through a whole colorization on this point. And I want to say that When these things happen to you, I don’t want you to be frightened, I want you to be. Let us say up standish! Just accept them and let them flow, let the energy smoothed down a little. experience joy and all these types of experiences are good for you, they open up, they make you more positive towards other people and other things and make you Intune to should be in tuned with. Get rid of al these blockages and deal with yourself and on as much higher level. Now I realize that circumstances are promoting you in the healing process, but you may not believe it to be so. But what I am saying to you is that you must continue this and you must deal with it. As you know during the meditation you called for our help because of the disruptions that you were having and because thought you couldn’t handle them, but you could have. You thought we could have helped you to speed up the process through meditation you will be able to see more and more things about yourself and about others as we accelerate this process as we dare to understand who we are and what we are as we understand our relationship a little bit further and things will happen to accelerate this process so that you and can understand our relationship to a greater extent and at that point we may separate at that point in time and if we separate then, there will be another experience for you to undergo which will be on a high level on a higher level than on the level in which we are communicating at this point. We will show some other types of manifestation and approximately in a few weeks an official even to accelerate the process further. So what I am saying at this point in time is these should be customary, these should be the norm, these are things that should be developing on an ongoing basis and be able to for you to accelerate the flowing of energy. The energy has to flow more if you are doing well but there is still more work to be done, there is more slug to come out and I think that by undergoing this process, you will see more and more manifestation about everything that flows through your system, and you do have quite a powerful system and that is why it is taking us a little longer to cleanse the system out. So, all that I am saying to you here is, you know, be cautious and take it easy and don’t be frightened by the experiences that you are going to have. All these experiences are very powerful; they are very positive and are in tuned with very benevolent energies. So, that they are sand the energies themselves are healing you also. So that when you have experiences like that it can be very helpful. It lifts you up, it regenerates you and this energy puts you on a higher step so that you can accelerate further along the process so that we can show a different manifestation which would be much helpful to not only yourself but to others as well. And I would like; I know that it may over sound that I am stressing the situation but I just want to make things certain that you are doing well and this process is benevolent for you to go through and I expect you to go through this again and again so that we can finish the task that we have at hand which may be coming to a close in a few weeks or so and when this happens this task is just the first preparatory task that we have to accomplish. After that’s accomplished, there are other things that we will have to accomplish. And I may or may not be involved in them depending on the energies that take place and depending on your own vibe whether it is more beneficial for me to maintain myself here or some other entity to step in my stead. But that is some decision that will be made in some time and what I am saying toi you at this point is to accept it and you will be able to shine forth in many ways that you have never shinned before and produce a manifestation that can be quite benevolent. The use of mankind in your let’s call it your circle of relationships because things are going to happen in this area where you can develop the relationship that have been born based on a special group which we will discuss at a later point in time about which would be help us along this process of spiritualization.

ROBERT: John says that energy seems to be quite high in the last few days and is this due to his internal changes or the preparation for the sessions.

JONATHAN: Give me a moment! In reality we do not need to have a preparation for the session. But John has been getting more sensitive in the session that he has, the more energy flows through him so what I am saying is John is changing dramatically, internally everything is starting to coalesce in a reasonably fashion than ever before. And we are trying to develop this energy levels in him, how should we say acceptable for the role in which that he is going to have to play. And the reasoning for these sessions is and the main reason and I don’t want to be rude in this aspect but the main reasoning for the sessions is the spiritualization of him and try to raise it up from the disjointing, the disjoining of his own parts into a more positive acceptable portion so that we can portray the task that is at hand. Now, the point here is we are creating, I am not saying creating an entity because John is already an entity. What we are doing we are creating and assembling the different parts into a function which he could do on his own but at this point in time our deadlines are getting rather close, he needs all the help that he can get. Let us say accelerate this process in order to be ready for point in time in which this other event will take place and I think that John is doing quite well and he is achieving his energy levels at a very high rate. I think that he will be able to do his task quite well. Now at this point in time we cannot elaborate of what the task is because he is not ready to know that yet. But what I am saying here is that this whole process and these questions are similar, the answers that I am giving you are very similar and because what are we doing here? Some type of sculpture that we are trying to stimulate into one being and we are trying to develop this being. We are trying to give him the energy necessary for his task. We want him to understand that he has an important task to do and that is why we are here to help him do this task. And not for, how should we say it, and not for the benefit of his own manifestation or his own satisfaction because he has to understand that these things are really not for him. He is merely a tool for which these things must come about. And we have to talk mainly about trying to understand, let us say the ramifications of being what you are is not to announce what is to fill over, and what I am talking about there have been conversations with you and because some of this is your sympathy with other friends that you have and what I am talking about here is sometimes I don’t want other people distracting you through other areas and I know that you have been disgusting things with Deborrah and I don’t want her to sort of even though they don’t relate to you to rub off on you, to be concerned about predictions or trying to do things in those areas. I want you to continue on the spiritual side of yourself. I want you to really protect yourself. And this is the reason that I even mention this, I know that you are starting to protect yourself, but I want you to protect yourself more because it is important to keep your protection up and I am really concerned about the lack of protection that you have about you. I am really forceful about this and I really want to understand, I understand I think my words are getting a little confused here, this mechanism get to me sometimes. What I am trying to say here is that I am trying to protect yourself is really important to bring so much energy into you right now, but this protection is necessary. So John try to make sure that this protection is maintained, and I know that your tendency is to be too open and sometimes it has an effect on your protection of the energy and you cannot disperse this energy, it is too important to disperse, and you may have tried to concentrate on this energy that you have received in you because it is very important to stress this too much because it is necessary. I know that you don’t realize what you are doing so that is why we are concentrating everything together. Try to develop you and try to build up your walls so that we can accomplish our tasks We can discuss this a little later, when we are a .little more developed. We can go into this and will try to give you clues on what to do to maintain this protection. And I have given you some stuff in the past and we can elaborate that on a more spiritual level when the time is ready. I know that I am getting energy right now that there are many more questions and I don’t want to dwell on this too much at this point in time because I think that is important stuff that has to be met right now! So, let us discuss the next question.

ROBERT: Is there anything else that you want to communicate to John? The rest of the questions are really mine.

JONATHAN: I can repeat myself many times and let me say this I think that after the questions, I think I would like to say a few words too! Let’s say, at this time AH! If there are some resolutions that are going to be happening and these will be happening shortly. I don’t think that it is appropriate right now to go into these resolutions at this point, I know that you are trying to put things together and you are doing a lot of let’s say that you are maintaining your energy at a good level at this point in time and I think that if we want to—–let us, I want you to continue what you are doing and I know that your affair of money is diminishing at the last few days and I think that’s good because things will be coming about shortly and we can see that some resolution is on the horizon right now. I think that that you should wait probably in a week or so to discuss this resolution, but I don’t think that this resolution is, let me say I don’t want to want to put information out at this point until we are a little bit closer to that resolution. And I understand how you feel about this, now you are feeling more comfortable with the idea. I think that you will see some materialization on this period very shortly and just keep up the positive energy in this area and you won’t have a problem at all. And I think you are doing this quite well even thought sometimes you have lapses in that area. And I think that if you just take it easy and let things go maybe something will come through before you know it. And I don’t like to say maybe but it is just like I am waiting for an event to happen and as soon as that even does happen manifestations could come about. We will see some dramatic areas in this ramification which may come about shortly. So, all I am saying to you is just take it easy and don’t worried about things and things will show themselves forward. And also, I just want to say that I know that we are watching you, we are preparing you and we are dealing with the aspects of your whole life. John, I know that you are worrying because let us say that you had a lapse of episode in our dietary process here and I was ready to overlook that considering the circumstances and I realize that you didn’t realize that these circumstances were going to be encompassed. You thought that you had a way out, but you should be more careful in this matter, make sure that you educate people in this matter. I don’t think that you should not be so closeted as far as how should we say it, relating to people about this matter and I think that people would be more open to this matter. Preparations could be taken place about this thing even before you can settle about a social engagement. So, what I am saying to you John, is just take it easy and there are many ways to get around this situation. I want you to be open and relate more to the people involved in this around you. You don’t have to be involved with, how should we say it circumstances like this. and you can do it very well. And relating to people in these matters. Let us say, when we discuss this area, as far as the dietary aspect, these things are done for proper consequences. The consequence is a cleansing consequence and there are reasons for doing this or doing that. And I think that you have to maintain yourself in this area for us in order for us to maintain our connection. And I don’t think that one is contingent on the other because we can still manifest ourself. Let us say that it flows more, it is more benevolent during this if we maintain the body in a high level and think the energy will accelerate more. But I am not saying that it is dependent because if the need be we can still maintain it in some format. Probably not in this format it would b e in another type of format and what I am saying to you, John, the more you’re cleansing, the more you are taking the blockages out the higher the vibration would be, the more experiences that you will have, and the higher we will be able to communicate on this level. Otherwise we would have o communicate on different levels and have different other forms that could be quite cumbersome as far as dealing with this situation, so what we are saying here is that you are doing well. Keep up the work! I really think that you should do more meditation. I know that you have been laxed in this. I know you do your meditation but once a day isn’t enough, you have to do more! I think that you have to start generating more energy in this area and I like that you did it a little longer meditations and now that you have been using my little visualizations but if need be if you need another visualization, I will be able to do this for you also. But until that point in time, let us say utilize this visualization like you are doing, I would like you to do it on a more frequent basis and I would like you to give up yourself more and try to build up your defense system better a little bit more and has been weak in that area and try to keep up the work and try to do a little bit better than you are doing because you get more powerful and you need to understand that body tpo be in top shape to have systems to block out all negativity. These Things are more important for you to do, and these things are changing at a more rapid way than you are doing. And I think, let’s say that I tend to be a perfectionist in my own realm. I might be a little hard on you right now and what I want to do right now that I just worry that we are not doing as well as we should. I would like things to be in that attribute in which we can execrate and generate vibrations at such a high level that would be quite benevolent to all those that are concerned in this area.

ROBERT: I have some questions about more dreams!

JONATHAN: You have been dreaming a lot lately!

ROBERT: I had a dream; I guess on the same day that John got called back for his emergency! Really! A lot of dreams in this one night! I found myself in some kind of course and there was a teacher who seemed to be like an older gentleman and helping me get my work in the more corporate world in real life here. And anyway he was introducing in the course thinking like kind of a visual thing, but it was very easy for me to do. I was able to do it more easily than the other people in the class. I could stop at this point, or I could on to another aspect of the dream. This was like almost a separate vignette.

JONATHAN: Is that the end of the that thing there!

ROBERT: I was wondering what that course was about!

JONATHAN: The dream is about the course that you have taken. The course is based on certain elements which you have accomplished in the past and what this dream is telling you about, that you have the ability to do certain things based on what has happen in the past. Let’s discuss this on a more realistic basis, let us say that in the past you have had these building blocks and you excel in these building blocks and you have developed certain attributes. What this dream is saying to you that this is the course which you have to accelerate those attributes and the master which is a part of the dream is the Master of Knowledge. And the Master of Knowledge is trying to tell you what you are, and how you have certain abilities which you are not manifesting at this point in time. What this master is trying to say to you is that you need to do more in this area and you need to accelerate those unique abilities that you have. You need to accelerate the intelligence that is deeply embedded within you, the Third Chakra, you need to understand what you are. You need to try to open up these areas to a point where there is so type of manifestation and a type of distribution of energy on to other people. What this dream is telling is that you have all this capability, and this is important to go through this lifetime be manifested on a physical level through the process of your occupation where you can be able to reach certain elements of people which may not reached at any point where you could not have reached in any point within the normal course of developing your occupation. What this telling that you have the ability based on developing, how should we say it, within a certain set of regulations or rules that have been set up and now you have to surpass these regulations or rules, and you have break new territory, excel in certain spiritualization which could develop, shall we say in a higher distribution of energy. What I am saying here is that this energy can be developed to a point where it can be generated from you to other people. This is a teaching process and what you se is only, let us say, this is something that you call a dream but is not a dream but an actual reality that does exist. In the dream world is a space where certain realities can be joined and what this is saying to you that you have certain capabilities that you are not utilizing at this point in time. You can’t delay not using these abilities. You have the ability and you can do this type of energy on a more mundane level if you need be, express this in more easier terms, than you have been you can’t bottle up inside of you. You have to energize this knowledge, and you have to energize these abilities so that they can be properly distributed to those entities that are calling in need of your assistance and it seems as though you have neglected to do that. And what I am saying you now is that this dream is warning you of the detriment of not doing that and as you accelerate and open up yourself, you have to concentrate you have to energize on those native abilities that you have at you have up to this point been shutting into the corner and trying not applying them on a more spiritual level. And I think that the dream is trying tell you what direction that you must go to, open up these doors and develop up[on that level. Have I explained everything or do you have any questions.

ROBERT: Yeah! I guess I want to do more about the area that I have been neglecting, how specifically to open up that area more.

JONATHAN: By neglecting we are not talking about the energy that you are as this manifestation, remember a lot of enate abilities within your soul that are not manifested in this lifetime. And what we’re talking about right now is that these abilities are dormant right now, which they may not be, they may not be tapped on so that in your occupation you have the ability to express yourself more; in order to heal people more, you go inside of people, and these abilities are not open. This is not a detriment! You have a lot, oh! how should I say it! You have a lot of talents being unused and why are we going through this process? I mean , you want to know how you open up all these things! And you can’t open up everything at once. What this dream is telling you that you have all these abilities and giving you the knowledge that they do exist! Now what you want to know how to open up these abilities. It is very easy to open up and very difficult at the same time. I mean that you can open up with the knowledge that you now have, with the abilities that you don’t have, now you have the abilities, so it is up to you work on these abilities through meditation, though visualization, energization, trying to open up all the parts of you. We have discussed this before when we talked about passageways and eliminating the excess debris from the passageways and so as we open up the passageways it is going to expose more parts of you. And this is the dream that you have been working on these passageways, you are opening up more parts of you so that they are going to expose these little nerves that you have. And sometimes these nerves can be very detrimental and sometimes these can be positive. Now in this case we have now discovered a portion of you that you have exposed and through this process the dreams are telling you that you have this ability, now you have to work on these abilities. And now you are going to say what abilities do I have? Well! This is what self-knowledge is about. I can go into anybody’s soul and pinpoint all your little faults and all your positive things but that is not going to do you any good. These are things that you have to work on yourself! That is why there is the process of elimination. I don’t want to sound like I am double talking here. What I am saying to you now, you have exposed an area, now you have an area that you are going to work on. So what you have to do is you have to energize that area. And you have to think about this dream, I want to, when you meditate take this dream into your meditation, meditate on this dream and different things will come about. Different colors will show about, there will be blossoming, you will start to see purple and chartreuse and different other colors. And these colors will be manifesting themselves in different ways to you and you will able to see things I a different light. And this type of dream tells you that you have certain abilities and they are there for you, let us say that we have taken some of the curtains away and have shown you a part of hour abilities, now we want you to take more curtains away. So, that you can see more, so that you can understand more. These abilities will help you in your line of work because we are talking about abilities that can give you insight and understanding on the process of other people and trying to heal other people and trying to say to energize them through the manifestation of energy within oneself with certain colorization of certain energies within people so they can vibrate on a higher level and vibrate at this time. So, what this is saying to you that this whole ideals beimg imbedded in you or more probably being more exposed in you. So that you understand that you are achieving on a higher level and getting more and more qualities to work with and getting more problems to sort of resolve because you have achieved it on a different level. Now, let us take that dream from last week when you hired and went to the top of the level, you married these two together and you have to understand to go that you don’t stop. Everything has a different basis, you reach a certain level, and you are going to discover some problem, and with this problem there are benefits and these benefits will be helpful for you to understand what this level is and so you achieved another level. Therefore you have to proceed onto this level. Is there anything that you want to know about this. Am I not making myself clear on this or am I just moving around here.

ROBERT: No I am getting some stuff!

JONATHAN: The point wasn’t to tell you a very detailed thing. The point was to help you understand part of yourself. I can’t this is what it is and that will defeat the whole purpose. The purpose of whole scheme of things is for you to develop, and I can’t develop for you.

ROBERT: I got you!

JONATHAN: This area and I will try to shed a little more light on it!

ROBERT: I will meditate on it and see what happens. I will just do that! I have impressions of what it is saying. I should explore that. Ok! I had another dream too!

JONATHAN: Busy boy!

ROBERT: I think it was the same night! I was like it was some new job and I was building a skyscraper or some kind of some kind of tall building, but it seemed dark and was possible it was underground. I don’t being aware of being above ground. I remember, I think very tall! It was just at the stage where there were steel girders and floors, but third rot! But when I remember there was an older man, kind of adopted me as his son, showing me how to move large lumber planks way high up. Now he had a previous son, and he was kind of childlike who when he saw that this man was paying attention to me. He jumped off the building committing suicide! just to show his jealousy and the father really just reacted by taking some money out of his pocket and saying, “This was for him, since he is no longer you have it!” It was very a matter of fact! I remember having some fear of the great height, but I remember the process of swinging from one structure to another and remember telling myself I already conquered this! But it was no big deal! Then I was in a situation where there wee some younger people who were very skilled at the work, very gymnastic, young that very skilled at the work, very physical but wanted to better each other and there were two of these guys against a bigger guy and they were kind of clowning around, I guess! It didn’t seem tat it was real serious but there was real competition here. Then the scene changed to the ground definitely outside where a group of us discovered or realize that within where these cactus trees, someone from the past put soda cans in the tree. There were a lot of valuable, money in the cans so we lifting up the trees, we were just uprooting the tree. One of a very thin cactus, the next was very thick with many rows of cans in columns in it. Then, I woke up and there was a lot of cash to be found, and I was pleased and was detached from it at the same time.

JONATHAN: Ok! This was all one dream, right? Give me a moment! The dream that you are seeing is a simulation of al the things that you have to accomplish. In this dream some of the goals of your lifetime has been set forth be resolved within the framework which is metaphorically represented as a building of some type but under a subdued level. What we are seeing here is the beginning of the framework in your life. Also, within this framework you notice that there is a relationship with an older person. And you notice that in the previous one there was a relationship with an older person. And what we are talking about is that this person is your Guardian, who manifested himself in a way to let you know that he is still available. Remember we disgusted your Guardian before. And the Guardian is there and the Guardian is in this process of trying to help you there and trying to develop along these lines. And presently he is working on a resolution of certain problems that you have, and one notably is money. And what we are saying here is some type of resolution is in the process. And this resolution pertains to the discussion upon which you had with your guardian in relationship of your financial stability. And this financial stability is in the process of being resolved at this point in time. And the dream is telling you about the money and by the time you reach this resolution, this resolution is saying to you that well, we are rewarding you but that is not the primary purpose of the resolution. And what we are saying to you is that your development is the thing that we are concerned with and not the benefits that you may receive from this development, which is normal stuff for you, which I am sure that you are well aware that anyway because we have discussed this before anyway. The dream is trying to give you some impressions of where you are going and how to go about certain things. As far as the incident with the relationship of the sun, let us talk about that! What is the relation of the sun? The sun is consideration within your soul that you that you have to let go of certain entities. And these entities may have been regarded as controversial, let just say, and in a competitive spirit within you as far as dealing with yourself and the whole being there is some diversion as far as the pathing of the diversion of the pathways which you may have been attempted in the past to accede to and in certain areas. But what I am saying to you here is that the symbolism is there so that your lifestyle was interfering with the realm that you wanted to succeed and as we go further, we develop further. We see that we have to take this old baggage off of ourselves and to try to develop and make ourselves lighter in this aspect. What this sun is doing is to remove from yourself. The relationship with the Guardian seems to be getting much stronger. He is getting more aware of your, shall we say your wants and desires, the guy at this point in time is trying to say to you what you are and how he can help you ascertain these elements that you are seeking, and there are certain elements that you are seeking that may be how should we say that may be more beneficial to others and there are some that may be more detrimental to you. And what the Guardian is doing to is trying to streamline the more positive aspects of these elements so that you can attain certain levels of psycho shall be say therapeutic measures in which to develop along certain lines in order that we can vibrate the essence of your being on a higher frequency in order that you can manifest yourself in different tributes so that through the process with other people you can be able to diverse some of this diverse energy on other people in certain circumstances be able to change people and in order that they may look upon themselves and deal with themselves When various areas that they are accustom to deal with and also to open up the minds and souls of people so that they can deal with themselves and be able to vibrate at a higher level and develop along those lines instead of the more mundane level that they have been existing. What this dream is trying to do is expose you the task at hand. It is trying to tell you what to do and trying to interpret some of the things that you have to do. And I think that in developing in your more meditative skills, you are going to be able to see more in essence of all this dreams are related on the same current. Think! Remember that you have reach a point in your life where there is going to be dramatic change and this dream is telling you where this dramatic change is taking place. And this is the structure of your whole entity, the structure of your entire being, the soul-like factors that you have to deal with and how should we say build up a structure within yourself in order that you can develop on a much higher level. You have reached at a point in your life at this time where intimate change is important and you have satisfied the urges of a certain, let us say a basic structure that existed for some time within you. Once this basic structure has been accomplished, dealing in new unfounded territory as far as your materialization is concerned and what we are saying to you is that we are trying basically to understand and to proceed with the development of your soul along these lines. And what this dream is telling you that you must go along and try to develop along these new lines. You can’t offer resistance like you have in the past in some areas. You have to be more disciplined; you must be attuned to the different areas of your soul. You would have to understand, you have to communicate with your guardian on a much more, how should we say, much more frequent level, you haven’t been, let us say, actually you have been ignoring your Guardian to the point. During the meditative state you have to listen to the Guardian more, you have to develop along those lines, you have to see this Guardian as whatever fabrication that you want him to see him as you invested. You can see this person as an angel, person, human, as an animal or whatever suits you to your own liking. The Guardian will assume whatever shape that you are in kin to you. And what I am saying to you is that these dreams are trying to force you to alter your perception about things in general and about things about yourself. And what this is opening a new realm for you, a new passageway, a new how should we say, a new development, it is an exploration of your soul so that you have opened up another passageway, developing deeper into your soul and you are finding that you are at a new and you are finding the task that you have to accomplish. And you are trying to say to yourself what am I am doing here and where am I going. What I am saying to you to flow and don’t question so much where you are going. Try to go along those lines so that you can develop and go to those places in which you can develop, along certain attributes that have been encompassed along your being some time ago. As time gores on you are going to open up more and more and you are entering a new stage of your life. And this stage is going to be more rewarding than any other stage of your life has ever been. What this is saying to you is that you are approaching an area were you can reap much if you pay attention to the Guardian and not so, how should we say resistant to the things that must come about and eliminate those areas that you no longer have need of and you are carrying too much excess baggage and you have to eliminate that excess baggage and you have to develop along some more sublime lines and you have to streamline your whole structure and you have to develop it and you have to make it more acceptable to the realm that has existed and you must accomplish certain things and what we are saying to you is that your energy level is going to start to increase. You are going to be more in tuned and what we are saying to you is that this manifestation must be attuned at a higher level than is now. You must do more on that attribute! What we are saying is that the physical and the spiritual aspects are coming together and they sort to, how do we say it, the vibrations are coming together. They must be attuned a smoother flowing element than they have because there has been to much separation between the physical and spiritual on a more sublime level, they must be complementary to one another than being adversary. And they must deal with the situation at hand. What this is saying to you is that we have opened a whole new area for you, and I think that what we are saying to you that you are not the old, shall we say spiritualized entity, a new neophyte, a new unforeseen area, a new uncharted area, a new wilderness that has to be accomplished. What we are saying to you this area is just starting to open up for you and the form of what you have reached this level and the form ids saying to you that these things are coming about. The important element of this whole situation is that your relationship with the Guardian has taken a turn for the better. And what does this mean in practical terms to you. It means that your material life is going to make a turn for the better. And the Guardian seems to be communicating with you on a more reasonable level at this time and not at the friction that it had with you. And what this is saying to you is you have to, the practical aspect of it, you have to meditate and relate more because the benefits for you if you do this in the meditative process and I realize that you are taking more time to meditate and you are trying to accelerate this process but we have to have more communication between you and your Guardian and I think that this is telling you that this is an area that you have put along these lines and the benefits will be forthcoming along these lines. Now do we have any questions and concerns in this matter.

ROBERT: Well in my meditation, I am doing a similar process to get deeper into this space, mainly visualizing and opening the Chakras and then I expand the heart one and kind of jump inside of that, expanding white light and here is a golden triangle pyramid, inside of that is the white light. And I just expand all that, inside the white light there is a lavender flame. I jump inside there and then I am in part of where I was starting to visualize for the first time in the last few days and I was focusing on the godhead, and I am visualize at this point a big, big white light and letting myself in to it more and more. Through the process I asked for help from my Guardian and that is as far as it has gotten.

JONATHAN: Ok! I am not saying that you have to push things, ok! I want to have things flow for you, but I think that you should let us say invite the Guardian more. You haven’t in the past invited him in a lot. This is something new that you have been doing with the Guardian, isn’t it! Am I correct in that! Now, I think what is happening here is the Guardian got a little upset with you in the past. What this dream is telling you is that the Guardian is opening more. What we are doing here is telling the Guardian that to have the Guardian help you. And I may not be saying that you have to concentrate on the Guardian. That is not saying that you have to concentrate on the Guardian. That is not what he is for, the Guardian is there only to hep you through certain passageways in the meditative or spiritual process or whatever area that you are in. So, I think that so also besides in that meditation that is a good aspect to ask help from the Guardian. But in other areas you don’t have to sit down and meditate for ten or twenty minutes or one-half of an hour. You know that there are times in which in times of stress, in times of predicaments, you can call on the Guardian with a mental signal. What I mean you don’t have to be in the meditative process to contact the Guardian. That is what I am trying to say that you have to let us say that you have to be able to contact him on a more practical basis. I mean that you have a problem, and you say what am I going to do about it, ask for help. Don’t try to assume that the creative process is all on the maternal level, because it is not and I am sure you ae aware of that on an intellectual basis then that the Guardian is therefore you, and the creative process is therefore your benefit. Also you can achieve more if you assimilate all the entities that there are to help you. Also you can contact the Guardian when you don’t need anything. I am just saying hello! They are not only there to, how should we say in time of crisis. They are there all the time. Have some recognition that they are dealing with you and so that you are setting up communication so that when you need the Guardian you will have some benefit for you. They are there for your benefit, or how should I say, for your own disposition of energy and sometimes you need an extra burst of energy running a mile and you want to go a little farther and that burst of energy, the Guardian is to help you with that. The Guardian is there for your whole entity, not there just for spiritualization. They’re there for everything, sometimes you might need a joke. He can give you better jokes than you can do, you know? I am not saying that you have to do that! What I am saying is that you have to relate more! You have to relate to this guardian. And this guardian is going to open up, and he is going to talk to you. He is going to tell you things about himself and form some type of relation with the Guardian. It is important to be

JONATHAN: Do we have any else?

ROBERT: Yeah! two more!

JONATHAN: Oh! you are a busy man, aren’t you?

ROBERT: It seems as that much that I am having great opportunity that are coming forth in September and in the fall. I wake up and takes me awhile to get going. I have a lot of work to do that I am really not pushing, and it is like the days go by and for instance now I feel wonderful and there are many times during the day that everything is right the way it is, and progress seems to be happening and I not doing a nine to five access grind on my computer. I do need to write the book, and I do need to put a lot of data in the computer for this mailing, and it is like that I am not focused enough, yet a part of me feels like it’s Ok! And the stuff that I used to do to feel good enough to work, I don’t have to do that anymore! I wake up and I’m feeling good enough pretty soon, but I am not focusing that on the work. I am kind of hanging out! I am just wondering if that is appropriate for now or should I be really more focused on doing the work getting out.

JONATHAN: Give me a moment! The work at this time is really not that important but it will be in the future. So what I am saying to you is that I think that you need to let say, not be over rot by the situation because there is a reasoning for it. And what we are saying here is that I don’t think that you should be overwhelmed by the feeling that you are having but the need to accomplish this matter may not be as pressing as that you think. And I realize when you think of things on a material scope, you are thinking that this has to be one by such and such a day and I think that you should continue working on these projects. I am not saying not to work on these projects, but I don’t think that the primary source of your energies at this point of time. And I think that you are experiencing some of the things that John is experiencing at the present time also, where you ae not focusing on the material aspects and you are focusing on these other areas. And as these other areas develop you will see where these other energies will be generating more energy and this other stuff is going to get easier to do. Your whole spiritualization process as it comes into being, why spend fifty hours doing this and with this spiritualization you can do it in two hours, and I wouldn’t worry about it; I am not saying that you shouldn’t do it and put some time in developing this system also. But don’t worry that you feel that you are not making progress when you are really making progress on a different level which will sill over to a different level. So, I wouldn’t worry and ty up the energy because you felt that I’m getting lazy. But don’t worry about that, try to let things flow. That you are feeling good is a god sign that you are and that is a good sign that is the most important thing is to have that flow and don’t worry so much and keep that flow going and if you can divert some of this energy into that practical experiences that is good but if the flow doesn’t need it at this point in time don’t force it either. Do you understand what I am getting that you keep that constant rhythm that you have within your system and that rhythm has to be maintained. Ok! Is that sufficient!

ROBERT: Yeah, because I don’t feel it that I was getting lazy! I don’t have much problem justifying not doing the work but you now it is getting better, I don’t really feel bad about it.

JONATHAN: You should feel bad about it! But that I think that is what is due to what is happening inside of yourself. It isn’t really the product that you want, and a lot of your work can be quite creative and the creative energy important in your line of work. The thing is that it might be developing on the spiritual basis and increase the creative input and therefore easier for the manifestation and these are things that you have to let them flow. It opens up these passageways more and would guard against being overwrought by it by the situation of not doing the work but also the situation of being in a sedentary position. You shouldn’t sleeping sixteen hours a day, that is being a problem

ROBERT: One more, regards to the Stress Program, Vitality Program, That is what I shall call it, the le vel with which people make the switch, I have been searching for a process whereby people can motivate themselves beyond from something that they don’t want to being motivated by doing what they do want. To do that people need to know what they want which we went into last time. The conclusion from listing from last time was if you take away the barriers then it comes evident of what you do want. Part of me is not satisfied with Having a minimum of stops because have to arrange sufficient time to meet appointment that and feel that—–my own process took me the point to actually where the river comes from. We are driven by what our inner values are, and some values are more valuable the others. But the process of how to go inside even on an automatic instantaneous levels ar or check in what thee inner values are, figure what are the highest points that they want to operate from then and come out and want to know about

JONATHAN: Let us see, Let’s talk about that , in other words you are talking about a structure a little bit! Alright! Let us see, in First of all, we have the structure here, now in the circle you have an Inner entity, which is a portion of an entity, let’s call it an entity form argument sake. Now, in this structure here you have this gate here and this your ego here and this ego’s ‘s duty is the external aspects. Inside the structure you have the center which is your center or soul which is your self esteem prior to the materialization. Ok, this is the core of what you are and if you want to call this the inner ego, fine you can call it that. This is what the true center is and this is what you truly are. This one outside was what was made through your materialization, through your socialization, the value that was based on your socialization, not the true value. In other words they are two different entities. Now when you try to find what you want, in other words it you are having something that is causing a stress problem. When we spiritualize this process, we are not really concerned with the external gig or the external ego because what values there may or may not be beneficial, somebody through socialization can get a bad ego. What we are trying to do is build the external part and when you talk about the center we are not talking about the ego because the external ego is based on values given through socialization but internal stuff that is your true soul stuff and that is what you want, and the soul knows what it is and what its faults are and that is why deep down. That is why that in the meditative process you can go into to find what you actually are. And there are different values in there. In other words, I would say don’t confuse the values on the external with the internal levels, that is what I want to say but inside these values are all the ultimate of what should be. The soul determines because this is the center that formed the whole materialization, this is the part that you are trying to get to really true spiritualization to the center but getting there is the most difficult part or not. Being there will be known for what you want, but there is what you want is to get to the center and I know you can’t get it like that. This is something that takes lots of practice and when in the meditative state, you don’t go into yourself n a quick, you know 1,2, 3 and you are there! You know that with practice you try to get into there and like anything we first have self-knowledge and you don’t know parts that you can’t understand portions of yourself, in other words supposing let us you have the self-knowledge at the fault. Then you have the means to eliminate the fault to find the knowledge so that we know how to eliminate that fault. And once we know how to eliminate the fault, we can proceed to eliminate the fault. And once we know how to eliminate the fault, we can proceed to eliminate the fault, this something that you have to go inside of yourself. Somebody may tell you how to do it but that may not work for you because each individual has there own code or procedures and own code of ethics of what they don’t do that forms the whole entity and knows what is happening all the times and know the faults to be resolved and what faults are not. There are some things that you don’t want to resolve at that point in time, it may not be the right time to resolve them. You don’t want some therapist coming in and messing up the whole thing, do we? So, what I am trying to say here is that the soul has to decide which way it wants to go. It is not up to the external ego or the external force to decide that. It is up to the soul, and the soul is going to decide this on its own when it is ready to do so. Shall I say accelerate the process, but I am not saying that it can’t happen, sometimes it does happen and a lot of times it is beneficial, but it never happens without the consent of the soul. We also have that center position of development, what I am trying to really say my images ger mixed with my verbiage here. What I am trying to say at this point is once you develop the center, you develop that these crisis and these crises develop the raise from the center can permeate the whole entity. And by permeating the whole entity it tries to permeate the whole entity. But like anything else most people do not know how to relate to their inner selves and because of that, this is where therapists, I don’t want to put you out of a job here , but this is therapists come in to help people do that to relate to the inner self, and once they tear down all this garbage around themselves all these prefab socialization types, things that society has built up to prejudice the individual against internalization and once you tear all that down and direct this person to see what is in themselves and try to visualize what is inside of themselves. Once you do that, then you will be able to examine the scoop of what needs to be done. As far as trying to use a general model. If you want to use a model, it has to be for some time of procedure so that people can do this, it must be general enough so that it can be manipulated to suit the individual and where you technique must come in is like a guiding hand more than a changing pattern. You have to use that like a soothing sweeping sword.

ROBERT: OH! No!

JONATHAN: Something that sweeps in to help the individual. But we have to we don’t want to cause to much, anyway you need to because sometimes people need that little push. But anyway you need to guide people and with any model with utilization, you know your technique’s with your, I guess that you call it scientific, we will think about that! But as far as utilizing those techniques and trying to get that person to deal with themselves and the soul itself will have to accept your techniques in order to deal with it because some people are more resistant to it than others. Some souls say “Oh! I don’t want it ” You would have to be able to coax the soul and there may be a little sore here and there will help you a little bit! We are trying but I think that we have to look at the situation and a have a general enough model to deal with it that situation. There are people that you are going to have a problem with because of their situation to break down their resistance. I think that people like to feel good at about themselves, at least the ones that I know . The more that you do to have people feel good about themselves, the more you are going to achieve in that aspect, and this is a very rewarding syndrome because the more you open up these passageways for these people, the more you are going to get a more responding individual to desal with themselves on a prior level. As you know there is a lot of fear dealing with oneself. This is something that you are going to break down. You need to be suave and debonaire or so! You have to sort of play it my ear! And you can’t be too callous either! You need to be soothing, you know how! Ha, ha, ha, just as long as you don’t put anybody to sleep. HH Essentially that is what you want to do! But I am not saying that it is easy! But I think with the proper tools and the proper mechanism you can devise the proper tool. You can develop these techniques and if you need help in this area you have your creative ability to develop these techniques and you have the ability and I just don’t want to say that you do this and this, that is not going to work. There are general areas and from what I gathered from the questions of the last time you have already developed a model so that there is no point here. You know if you spiritualize it and develop that model it can be internalized to a point where it can develop people and on a higher vibration. Whereby cleansing some of the stuff around the center that can be clogging up the passageways. How do you know what people really want because a lot of people don’t know what they want but deep down inside of them they do. I don’t think that you should think of it as that because as humans we turn to think of it on the external ego rather than the internal ego and I think that we need to turn it around to the internal ego. The external ego is just a guard; you don’t pay attention to a guard. Do you have anything else?

ROBERT: Oh! just one little thing! Just sitting here, I want to ask you the significance of I can create a visualization of being in a plane and I get a rush! Similar to the rush, a similar rush when I open the chakras and I like it ! Is it something that I should be doing more and more? Is that something that I should be doing.!

JONATHAN: Visualizations what they do is open up passageways r what shall we all them, sort of like rays of light that permeate the individual and clears the area and a quick visualization is very good, let us say unclouds the mind if you have a mental problem and if you have a quick visualization, oh poor choice of words… It is very good for instance, where you are in certain circumstances where you think, the confrontation is starting to develop. So with a quick visualization you can clarify the situation.

ROBERT: How do you clarify the situation?

JONATHAN: HA! HA! What I mean is that you have a situation is perked and a misconception of some type and you clarify it and even before you deal with on a material level, you deal with it on a spiritual level. And you can clarify the situation on a spiritual level and that person before he knows it would have been defused before he new about it knew it. These are things that you have to do, also you also use your protective method in all these areas that we have discussed in order to communicate with this energy and that is what confrontation does, and we have energy robbers here!

ROBERT: But if you win you bet the energy!

JONATHAN: You may get diverse energy, so what is the point? You just take the resource upstairs; you don’t need to flash about it! You just say I need some Mac! You turn it off you have plenty of that stuff! You may not want the other guy’s energy it may be a little tarnished. You need to clean it, you need to play janitor for the night!

ROBERT: Last time during the session and I just put my hand up here and I got this buzzing similar to the one that I mentioned a long time ago and I was in a dream state while we were communicating it was the same one and it was brief and definitely there!

JONATHAN: What session was this?

ROBERT: Last session!

JONATHAN: What were we discussing do you remember?

ROBERT: I don’t !

JONATHAN: Just give me a minute, let’s see if we can go back! Ok! sometimes when you are in a communicated state certain things can happen. I think what was happening in this case, they were giving you a reward of some type and when I say they it encompasses myself as well. And what I am manifesting here is only a part of me. We are not talking about me here but about me there! What happens is sometimes you have that sensation and even during these sessions John is feeling these sensations too on a constant basis ! By constant basis I don’t constant is a constant basis, and it flows back and forth but that is what it was and there were. Sometimes when things get a little intense and the energy gets a little intense, baggage falls off, and benevolent baggage falls off and it is in the interest of the entity and it is one of the attributes of developing and you’re able to, let us say be sensitive enough to experience certain elements that an entity is giving you. Sometimes you don’t experience all the elements because you are not receptive to all the elements are there, but what this is saying to you as you opened up you are not receptive at that point. As you go on you are going to be more and more receptive to these elements, but they are not bees by the way!

ROBERT: I was like this other dimension that opened up!

JONATHAN: Pathways are such is that you have many pathways as such that are not materialized and sometimes you are going through this process you are going to have glimpses of potentials of what you are going to do, and this is one of the potentials of what you are going to do. That is like when you mentioned before that you started to do pictorialization in your meditation and that is another area that you are starting to open up at home, these different areas so that you are going to get little samples lof stuff if you continue on the meditative process and you can develop these on a much higher level and your whole entity starts to expand but not in a diversive way, a more positive way and it is under controlled conditions so you don’t have problems with negativity, and opening up channels and not closing them like stuff like that so you going to have to deal with that situation. By that what I mean, you have to experience these little things until you develop, and you get more and more control, you just mesh them into your fabric until they become part of you. But these rewards are given to you in certain periods of time when they feel that it is necessary for some element to open up within you because you have achieved something within you. lollypops!

ROBERT: Get a buzz!

JONATHAN: You can get a buzz! It is just one of the areas that you have to develop on, you take what you get!

ROBERT: Just asking? That is all that I have! Question wise?

JONATHAN: Let’s see if I have anything to say! Ok! You know! I guess that I can say a few words. I am not lost for words, am I? But let us put it this way. Let’s discuss what I said in the past about why we are here and what we are trying to do here. I am wondering if I am repeating myself again. But it is really important that we understand this, I have been very frustrated because the events of the last session, especially about some of the questions that I heard at that time. I know that we have resolved that situation, but I just want to reemphasize the situation that we are here for the process that we have hoped for the process that we have accelerated in such a point that let s say, comprehend where we are going with this and in time that we can discuss it and being more reasonable agender at stake. But right now I mean what we are doing is that we are trying to form the mechanism in which we can accelerate the situation so that when we get to a point that we will be able to deliver the task at hand and the time is coming around there so that when this happens the personnel involved would be able to deal with the situation at hand. I just want to say that I know that both of you are doing quite well, and I know that John is fading a little bit and the thing is that I am concerned not that you are not doing well. I am concerned that I don’t want you to be mislead with different elements within yourself to get yourself away from it. I know that there are times in which that the material does get in the way ascertaining what is the next step but I think that there is a need for us to, let us say, examine ourselves more, meditate more, trying to direct our lives on these more spiritual avenues that we have set forth and not be detracted by going out on the little out along the sides there, you know. I think that you have to brighten up your whole assets to try to develop on the spiritual basis. Beware of the situation and we are not only talking about being in meditation, visualization or pictorial, we are talking about looking into other people, looking into things and trying to spiritualize them with one that one comes in contact with and spiritualize any attributes that may come about. But I think that what I am trying to say here is to the spillover must be greater and I know you are doing well, I can’t repeat this enough, let jus say more benevolent energy permeating the whole situation, the whole entity, the heart during this time. I am not saying that you have to be in a totally meditative state but in the life, I think that in it would be difficult in your human life here to be in a meditative state. Let us say that there is a need to do, let us say just set an example for the people for your spiritual energy will permeate everything that you will do. And if you were just able to live just a normal life under a spiritual banner and that doesn’t mean to be a fool, but what that means is just your normal behavior and people would look towards you and say what is it about that person and try to permeate that. And I don’t think that you should be go preaching either. You should have an attraction about yourself and trying to develop themselves along similar lines to yourself even people that are on an intellectual level, sexual or any other type of level that you come in contact with people, develop with people along with this line whether in the work environment or play environment or home whatever you would be able to live your life with special people because that is what you are and you are trying to live your life to attune yourself spiritually. John doesn’t appreciate this.

ROBERT: HA! HA! Patience John! John, can you hear me!HHH

JONATHAN: level of, I got distracted! Now , what was I saying, we have to tune ourselves to be able to tune ourselves to be able to live our lives in a more spiritual bend so that we can let us say to give a better example and when I say that you are special , I meant that you are special in the sense that you are in the process of developing yourself, the process of giving more to the eternal vibration which you were meant to do and not on the external level, just trying to live our shallow lives and that is not what life is about. Life is an educational process along certain lines and those lines are predetermined by the soul and so I just wanted to say that these things are important to do and try to do these things in all instances in life whether you are baking a cake or entertaining your girlfriends or any little thing let us say like lighting a match. Symbolization is important to dealing with on a certain level and you can look at any entity on a certain level and you can determine if this thing has a spiritual basis because when you have anything there is always a spiritual basis to anything and you have to have ways to dispel blockages. This, let us say, process by which you can break down these barriers and make it on a more spiritual basis, flowing process going forward and develop along the line that the soul ascertains to be the proper way that kit wants to develop at a way that we can point in time. I think that he is upset, he is worried about that! The body is doing well! I can’t do this to him!

ROBERT: HA! HA!

JONATHAN: I guess, do you have any more questions?

ROBERT: No!

JONATHAN: Well I guess that I should say! Let us return to the realm of realms where all the birds do fly and the flowers do bloom and the wings of the chariots fly, and you and I say goodbye the guess we should say goodnight, and we shall resume on our next session Good Night!